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We don’t really have to January 2, 2013 to go off the fiscal cliff. It’s December 4, 2012 and congress goes on Christmas vacation Friday December 14th 2012 and they don’t come back till after we fall off the cliff. Taxmageddon will show up in the stock markets and will come well before January 1, 2013. If no deal is done before that date of Friday December 14th 2012. (There won’t be any deal) The stock market will show the results prior to the date not afterwards. If you have a 401-k or any other investment in stocks or bonds brace yourself for heavy losses.

This is a warning on Friday December 14th or in just 10 days all stock markets will start a rapid decline worldwide and this will continue into Monday the 17th and all the way to Friday the 21st December 2012 if no deal is done. The republicans will stay in Washington but the democrat controlled Senate will be ordered shut down by Harry read and the correction or crash will take place. The democrats will blame the republicans as that is what they are already doing even before there’s anything to blame anyone for. What will the blame game be like after markets crash? Friday December 14 is the normal scheduled Christmas break for congress.

The real cliff comes from a market reaction to the lack of any deal that stops America’s economy from a $600 billion shock. That shock comes from the shift in taxes and spending equal to a 4% negative to GDP and the biggest losses will not be the taxes themselves but the market’s reaction to those tax increases could cost trillions of dollars in lost stock values.

If the stock market’s losses are 2000 points on the DJIA for example in dollars it is equal to $2 trillion in lost stock values. This is the true result of Taxmageddon if congress allows us to go off the Cliff. It has been said for every 1000 points lost on the DJIA is approximately $1 trillion is lost in stock values across all U.S. markets.

Currently Republicans have no options to avoid the fiscal Clift or taxmageddon that will not destroy the economy and all the choices that democrats will allow to pass the senate will force a recession. All the options are really bad and the only one that will work for just a little while is keep everything the way it is and extend the current tax rates, but Obama has said and he insists he will not except that outcome of kicking the can down the road. If anyone is holding the middle class hostage it is Obama not the republicans in the house. Obama wants a grand bargain for which there is no good economic out come for anything he wants, what Obama wants will cost millions of jobs. That’s not an option Republicans can agree to.

Obama has proven over the last 4 years he understands nothing about economics, business or how jobs are created. It needs to be said Obama’s an idiot to top all idiots; he is the king of fools and will lead America to its complete economic destruction in the next few weeks. Obama’s winning of the election doesn’t prove his genius; it just proves how stupid the American people have become, all because of Obama phones that cheaply bought votes with tax payer’s money. (That is if he really won? As I believe the election was a complete fraud)

http://gulagbound.com/35972/nationwide-white-votes-down-by-16m-smell-like-election-tampering/#.UKEgkmfNPFw

Obama says he will only accept a full 4.9% tax increase to the wealthiest tax payers and they are the job creators. That’s not a bumper sticker slogan anymore or a political talking point, it is just the facts. By the numbers it can be proven true that what Obama is demanding will certainly put us in a recession according to the congressional budget office = CBO. Let’s look at what faces the American people in the next few weeks and what the democrats have done in the past 6 years of the control of congress since January 2007. The American people have been setup with this no win scenario that we now have and democrats will be able to blame it all on the republicans no matter what republicans do because democrats control 85% of what is so-called the main stream media.

If congress does nothing we get the full force of the fiscal Clift which is a $600 billion shift in taxes and spending cuts. The media has been talking about this fiscal Clift but no one clearly explains exactly what that means. I don’t think any of media types are smart enough to see what it is or what it truly means for the economy, but I will attempt to explain it here. It’s not a matter of speculation it’s just really simple math and understanding economics.

If Republicans do what Obama and the liberal progressive democrats wants here is what the congressional budget office said about a deal republicans offered to raise taxes on the wealthy in the budget act of 2011 debt ceiling increase that threaten to shut down parts of government.

The CBO scored the proposal the republicans offered in 2011 that would raise taxes on the wealthy by roughly $80 Billion. The result was a recession and negative GDP growth of .5% or ½ %. They also said it would force 700,000 private sector jobs to be lost and by the end of 2013 push the unemployment rate from the current rate up to 9.1%. Again this was in 2011 and now Obama and the democrats want double or two times that much to $160 Billion in higher taxes from the job creators or the wealthy and that means twice the job losses to 1.4 million and twice the negative GDP growth -1%. This is what Obama wants; this is his so-called grand bargain. Only a complete idiot would think that’s a good idea, but that’s just Obama.

This doubling of higher taxes to the wealthy tax payers is the option that Obama is giving the republicans and this is not an option republicans can except, but it is insanity to ask for a tax increase that will force 1.4 million jobs to be lost to the middle class then lie about wanting to protect the middle class and force a recession in an already very weak economy that will loss 1.4 million jobs in the middle class. (Twisted logic) The only ones here protecting the middle class is the republicans not Obama.

How can the republicans agree to such an insane proposal when Republicans know it will cost so many jobs in the middle class and force us into a recession at the cost 1.4 million middle class jobs? They cannot. What sane person would vote for that? No sane person would vote for Obama’s so-called grand bargain and it’s not a deal of any acceptable kind. This whole Obama so-called deal is like trying to make a bargain with a terrorist who wants to kill you.

The Republicans have offered some concessions to higher taxes on the wealthy in recent discussions, but not the $80 billion and certainly not the $160 billion as the economy is weaker now then in early 2011 and any sizeable tax increase would not be good for the economy. There is no such thing as a grand bargain in what Obama is asking for; it’s more like a grand screwing to the American worker. Republicans are being asked to accept our grand economic destruction and the complete collapse of America’s economy into a deep recession or will it be a depression?

Taxes on the wealthy doesn’t include the automatic spending cuts from The Budget Control Act of 2011 said to be about $150 billion more that comes out of the economy and will have an additional negative effect on the economy. Obama is not trying to fix our fiscal issues and problems; Obama is trying to destroy the Republican Party and America along with it. I am all for spending cuts we need to shrink the spending of the federal government but not this way, not while taxing the crap out of everyone and forcing a depression like economy. These budget cuts should be done in increments’ in separate pieces of legislation over time slowing as the economy grows. I know this will not happen but that is the way it should happen.

The options the republicans have are unacceptable and the whole problem with the country is making deals or compromising with the democrats a party that wants to intentionally destroy the country. Obama and the democrats have found a way to blame the whole thing on the Republican Party but the truth is the whole thing was contrived by the democrats. The democrats want America to go off the fiscal Clift because they can blame any deal and all of them are bad on the Republican Party.  No matter whose fault it really is the liberal fringe lame stream news media will carry the lie and the people will believe the lie. America’s favorite pastime is blaming someone else for what they did to themselves by voting for democrats and Obama to get the free stuff.

I have told you about what the CBO has said about just taxing the wealthy and it has a really bad outcome and now let’s have a look at the math on the even bigger problem going completely off the $600 billion cliff. There is very big chance of the whole economy completely falling apart if the full force of taxmageddon if the existing law isn’t changed. The cost is a dramatic 4% of GDP just disappears into thin air. This will have the same economic effect as a gallon of gasoline going from $3.50 a gallon to $6.00 a gallon. You can probably relate to that and you know what that will do to your finances then multiply that time 140 million working Americans and the national fleet of 250 million cars. I did do the math based on our usage and the $600 billion taxmageddon it’s a very close estimate. This is an example for the effects and it will not necessarily affect the price of gas but the overall economic effect will be the same. (Catastrophic)

This taxmageddon automatically just happens in less than 4 weeks on January 1st 2013 if congress does nothing because this is already the law. Again stock markets will react before that date of January 1, 2013 not after. The optimism market players have that congress will stop taxmageddon comes from fantasies of the media and or wishful thinking.

The last 2 years has proven we have a senate that refuses to bring anything that passes the house to be allowed an up or down vote. At last count the republican controlled House of Representatives has passed 39 bills and Harry Reid hasn’t allowed any of them to go to the floor of the Senate for a vote. The house of representatives is functioning just fine passing 39 bills proves that. It is the Senate and or Harry Reid that is completely dysfunctional. The house has also passed 2 bills to fix the Clift or taxmageddon but dirty Harry wont allow a vote on either one. The truth is the democrats are screwing things up they are the dysfunctional party and they want to force America to go off the fiscal Clift. There purpose is to destroy the Republican Party and America with them. Will the democrat’s devious plan work?

If congress does nothing we get the full force of the fiscal Clift the media has been taking about but no one clearly explains exactly what that means to you and the whole country and the whole world will suffer great economic distress from our taxmageddon. I don’t think any of them are smart enough to see what it really means but I will attempt to explain more clearly here.

Here is what taxmageddon or the fiscal Clift means to you and to the whole economy and this number seems to get bigger by the week as more deductions are found that just go away and the higher total of the taxes mount up. The total amount of higher taxes collected from the wealthy and the middle class and the working poor (now 28 million that now pay no taxes at all and probably voted for Obama) is now $ 538 Billion in higher taxes as all tax rates go up 5% higher than they are now and around 20 tax deductions go away. This huge number of $ 538 Billion and based on the CBO estimated results of what $80 billion in higher taxes to only the wealthy was projected to do can be used as a guideline to calculate the economic impact of going off the Clift or taxmageddon.

The CBO has currently stated they cannot do an estimate on taxmageddon deal because they need the legislation to score the cost to the economy but that legislation doesn’t exist yet so we have to use the last CBO estimate as a basis on the budget act of 2011 debt deal that got us in this mess.

The higher tax of taxmageddon of $ 538 Billion on every one that works or has taxable income is 6.7 times the $80 Billion scored by the congressional budget office in 2011. Logically and mathematically the higher taxes would have the same multiple in its negative economic effects of 6.7 times the money that goes missing from the private sector economy into the black hole of government deficits of $1.1 trillion for 2012. So the math is 6.7 times the 700,000 lost jobs or 4,690,000 jobs lost. The negative growth rate of -.5% will be 6.7 times more or -3.35% This is to show the trend that when this much money being taken from the private sector in just simple straight math and it shows it will be catastrophic for the economy and jobs. This will be worse than the 2008 bank collapse because it doesn’t stop this time. No big stock market corrections or crashes are in the CBO estimates, there not allowed to do that.

I can tell you it will be a lot worse than any CBO estimate and there are a number of reasons. Here are just a few: first people will change their spending habits according to affordability after a stock market correction or a market crash. The working population or the tax payers that support the whole economy and socialist system will pull back spending as 50% of the working population are somehow invested in the stock market like in a 401k retirement program and that hurts business even more as everyone feels poorer and spends less. Adding to the devastation caused from the $538 Billion in higher taxes. The stock markets worldwide will adjust to America going into a recession along with all American stock markets as we are all tied together economically whether we like it or not that’s just the way it is. The CBO is not allowed to speculate on how markets will react they have a stricter set of guidelines and that’s why they are way off on most of their estimates long-term. There estimates are good for a few weeks to maybe 6 months, after that as time goes by their longer term estimate are useless.

No matter what the outcome the Republicans will be blamed for it. The election didn’t change anything and we will get 4 more years of congressional gridlock and 4 more years of an Obama’s dictatorship.

Some examples you can reference to see how people react and change their spending habits after any economic catastrophe is the 2008 bank collapse the 1987 stock market crash and the September 11, 2001 attack on the twin towers in New York. People just stopped spending and the economy went directly into a recession and my point is – things will get a lot worse than the -3.35% negative economic decline and will more likely be in the 6% negative GDP range just like after the 2008 bank collapse and the first quarter of 2009 was negative – 6% GDP and we have still not fully recovered from that. On top of that the Federal Reserve can no longer bail anyone out they are out of options but they can take over the banks and federalize them.

The overall dynamics of the economy has changed dramatically since 2008. This decline will be worse than any decline before because of the huge $16.4 trillion total deficits and a much larger portion of that are held within the banking system now in 2012 than in the 2008 bank collapse. A GDP growing at only 2% and Inflation said to be low at 2.2% if you believe that? The economy isn’t really growing at all, it’s the inflation that makes it seem like it is. We are in a much weaker position economically in 2012 than in 2008. 

This is a worldwide problem as all the major economies are doing the same thing. The total world-wide printing by governments has increased $21 trillion in just the last 6 years and most of that new debt is in the banking system.

The middle class with 401k Retirement plans or any money involved in the markets stocks or bonds will likely lose 40% to 60% of their money in those retirement accounts. Just like in 2008 after the banks froze up and this is just to start with, so the working people who support the economy will not be spending at the same rates they are now and all the false optimism will be forced away with a collapse coming in just 10 days when congress goes home for Christmas vacations while the economy through the stock markets just falls apart.

I have followed and been directly involved in every economic catastrophe since Jimmy Carter was president as a business owner and Obama and the democrats’ have set us up for the biggest collapse in world history. (The political economy)

In the last 4 years since the bank collapse of 2008 here is what has changed and will give us a multiple of 3 to 4 times worse than in the last bubble bursting and all created by the Federal Reserve poor economic and monetary policies. The banks have been buying trillions in U.S. treasury debt adding to what they already hold and adding trillions to the problem because the Federal Reserve has been making up phony money with these dollar amounts in trillions and creating a new much larger bubble than we had in 2008. The Federal Reserve has been buying old debt with the Q.E 1-2-3, and the so-called twists and the banks have been investing some of the money into the stock markets and commodities as well and repurchasing new federal debt with the very same money the Federal Reserve has been putting into the banks. (A Ponzi scheme; if you or me did this we would go to jail for a very long time like Burney Madoff)

This pumping of artificial money into markets has artificially inflated stock prices by pumping trillions of dollars into the banks creating money out of thin air with nothing but faith to back it up. Markets will collapse quickly as that faith will evaporate in a steep decline or even worse a panic sell off like in the 1987 crash and like all other crashes will take everyone by surprise. The banks are holding this huge multi trillion-dollar bag of dogey doo in U.S. government debt and banks will be blamed once again for what the politicians did or didn’t do. This is a 1934 cartoon from the New York Times. This has happened before.

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The banks and the biggest investment firms which are banks are the biggest players in the artificially propped up stock markets and the bond markets. This is a worldwide condition that every government and economy in the world has been doing the same thing for the last 4 years. This bubble only needs a trigger to set it off and I believe the trigger is taxmageddon that comes in 10 days. This starts on December 14, 2012. The markets will decline and this decline will continue till Friday the 21st of December. The reason it stops there is because the 25th is Christmas day holiday and markets will be closed Saturday December 22nd to Wednesday the 26th of December. After that all the damage will be done and whatever congress and Obama do after that will make no difference, it’s too late to fix anything once the markets correct or collapse.

The economic losses will be similar to a repeat of the 2008 bank collapse only multiplied times 3 to 4 of what happen in 2008. There will be no rescue from the Federal Reserve and no bailouts of the banks as the federal government with the Dodd, Frank banking act allows the government to just take over the whole banking system there are no limits to what the government can do now under Dodd, Frank and that’s what will happen as that’s exactly what the bill is meant to do. Nationalize the banking system and here we go to the government controlling everything. (Communism) So what’s next? They’re going to steal all your money no matter where it is.

How much do you trust the government having control of all your savings and what do you think they will do with it once they have legally taken control of the banks and nationalizing the whole banking system and all the money? What did they do with the social security money? They spent it all, need I say more? If or when this happens think about what you will do if you have savings in the bank and that’s what everyone else will do. The results will be Runs on the banks just like in the great depression and finally just closing the banks as they run out of paper and digits in the computers. Banks only have about 10% of their deposits in cash or liquid assets the rest is loaned out to someone and even loaned to other banks that may go bankrupt and close their doors these loses quickly dominos through the entire banking system no matter who owns them.

The Federal Reserve has no bullets left and the bazooka doesn’t exist anymore.

In 2008 prior to the collapse of the banks the federal deficit total was about $9.6 trillion and its now $16.4 trillion. The interest rate set by the Federal Reserve was 5% in 2008 now its .5 or ½% it can’t get any lower than zero and lowering it 4.5% has done little good for the economy and reducing it, another ½% won’t make any difference after a market crash. We also will have reached the current debt ceiling of $16.4 trillion by the last week of December 2012 or first week of January 2013. Little has been said about this debt ceiling being reached but their parts of a grand deal Obama wants that’s no deal at all and will not come.

If I wanted to destroy America I would have done everything the democrats did since they took control of congress in January 2007 and I would refuse to change anything just as democrats and Obama have done and continue to do. If I wanted to destroy America I wouldn’t change a thing.

We are currently barrowing nearly $100 billion a month for deficit spending and just printing and digitizing most of that up in computers the paper doesn’t even exist, it’s mostly cyber money on a hard drive in computers. If markets do come crashing down in 2 weeks with the debt ceiling increase tied to a tax increase bill that will not come and congress is out on vacation it all comes to a head at the same time. Once things do fall apart it’s too late to fix the damage already done.

This is the perfect storm and America’s judgment day has arrived. If congress does pass something and it’s not economically sound like raising taxes on the wealthiest 2% the exact same thing will happen and markets will react as if congress did nothing at all. We will all pay a price for the people who backed Obama and voted for him. The utopia Democrats all dreamed of and like they have dreamed of in socialist Europe for the last 150 years that utopia never did materialize and will never come for America either. What is coming will be more like the opening of the gates of hell.

The Federal Reserve is a bank. It is not a branch of government and isn’t controlled by congress directly. When this bubble bursts there’s not enough money in the world to fix this crash. The Federal Reserve holds around $4 trillion in its own issued debt and when the crap hits the fan this time the Federal reserve bank will be just as broken as the banking system they artificially propped up for the last 4 years and its all self-inflicted from poor monetary policy’s mostly since 2007. They think they have it under control but if they did we wouldn’t be in this catastrophic position.

I am a realist and do not hope for any better outcome for which there is no evidence of any possible better outcome. Hope is like wishing for something it only works in fairy tales but not so much in the real world. I have watched and participated in the political economy for over 30 years and I know what the politicians will do before they know what they’re going to do.

There are no grand deals to be made and any choices they do make will be bad ones for the economy. The policies of the federal government and the democratic controlled congress have put us in a box we cannot get out of. All of the possible outcomes stink. The poorly contrived political economic policies of the past our going to haunt us and our children through eternity and the bill is coming due now,  in the next few weeks not in 5-10 or 20 years.

We are about to witness the destruction of America through its economy from within our own elected government. This is all absolutely intentional it is not by accident that this is going to happen. Liberal progressive Democrats are just the tool or the useful Idiots for the destruction of America. There is someone else behind all this but this article is not about that.

The visible and undeniable end of America starts in 10 days. Obama is not trying to fix our fiscal Issues and Problems; His s trying to destroy the Republicans and to do that Obama’s going to destroy the economy and the country with it.

Congress goes from one screw up to the next screw up and the reason for this is the compromise of capitalism in trade offs for a larger more expensive government and more socialism and wealth redistribution. This will only end when we collapse under the weight of too much socialism, the government will go away with it and that’s weeks away not years. The deal Obama and the democrat controlled senate offers are going to collapse the economy. Keeping taxes the same for everyone will just put off the date as it will come up again.

The bottom line on taxmageddon or the so-called cliff is no matter what happens Americans gets screwed.

 If we get exactly all that Obama’s asking for we go off the cliff and into a deep recession. The congressional budget office has stated this and I agree.

 If congress does nothing at all we go of the bigger cliff. So no matter what: deal or no deal we go off the cliff. That’s the deal, we go off the cliff.

 The only alternative is keeping all tax rates at their current levels for everyone and Obama said that’s not acceptable. So we go off the cliff.

 The republicans are already being blamed for this but they haven’t been in control of congress since 2006 and they still are not in control but the lying media says republicans are to blame.

  Lou Dobbs agrees with me 

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1998558236001/fiscal-cliff-is-no-joke

Paul Ryan: That leads us to conclude Obama’s trying to get us to our fiscal cliff,” Ryan said. “He doesn’t want to come to the middle.”

http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/04/paul-ryan-addresses-fiscal-cliff-were-nowhere-were-farther-than-where-we-started/

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Painting a happy face on this taxmageddon is just putting lip stick on a pig. It’s just 45 days away until the US falls off the fiscal cliff and around $600 billion or 4% of Gross domestic product goes into the black hole of deficit spending from $450 billion in higher taxes on everyone not just the rich and an automatic $150 billion in spending cuts for a total of $600 billion shift in economic activity. For those with poor math skills pay attention to this, the taxes are not a plus to the GDP it is taken from existing GDP wages to employees and profits of companies

 

The current GDP growth rate is only 1.7% so far in 2012 and 4% of that will shift into the oblivion of deficit spending and deficit reduction and still leave us with an additional shortfall of $600 Billion in deficit spending. The CBO – congressional budget office has stated in their testimony to congress that just an increase in taxes on the rich of an estimated $80 Billion in tax increases will force a lose in jobs of 700,000 and a negative .5% GDP (½%) and or a recession. Now that number is just on the wealthiest and business owners has doubled to $160 billion a year in higher taxes to the wealthiest since the election and the simple math is negative -1% GDP and 1.5 million jobs lost just from taxing the rich not the taxmageddon that will tax the crap out of everyone and everything which is 3 times that number if they don’t do anything.

 

If you allow the bush tax cuts to expire January 1, 2013 than taxes go up on everyone including 25 million low-income Americans that don’t pay any federal tax at all will pay taxes. This is what the democrats voted for on November 6 2012 and all this will at the very least cause a decline in real terms of GDP gone missing of a negative – 2.5% of the GDP growth rate figured strate line without the projection of how businesses will react or how the spending habits of people will change and they will change dramatically more negative than a -2.5% growth rate decline.

 

The dollar amount lost by doing nothing and allowing current law to expire on January 1, 2013 and then tax rates go up 5% on every one who works and or pays taxes. it will cost the American workers and the rich $450 billion total and 150 billion in spending cuts totaling $600 billion then my estimate of job losses of 5 times the 700,000 jobs or 3.5 million jobs lost and the job losses will happen as fast as the money disappears from paychecks every week. The moneys just not there anymore for us to spend or save as it is taxed away at a rate of $1.2 billion a day from higher taxes to everyone. I want to repeat this part and make this clear, this is already the law, congress doesn’t have to vote on anything the existing laws will allow this to happen January 1, 2013 and congress doesn’t need to vote on anything it’s automatic. Next is why a deal will not be made and everyone working will get the 5% tax increase unless you move out of the country or your state succeeds from the union which neither is likely.

 

The political blame games and the real goals of the Democratic Party are why no deals will be made and why we will go off this fiscal Clift or so-called taxmageddon. This will be once again blamed on the republicans for what the democrats did. (There’s a 100 year history of this) The progressive, liberal democratic parties goal has been and still is to destroy the constitutional America we know and change us into a socialist dictatorship (I believe all the evidence shows we are already a socialist dictatorship and have been the last 3 years and 10 months and even possibly the last 12 years) and doing away with the constitution and replacing it with a communist constitution and this taxmageddon is exactly what the democrats need to do that and they will try to make it look like the republicans fault (this is already being done) and the lame stream liberal progressive socialist media will help them do it with their normal lies and disinformation.

 

Here is what to expect in the next 47 days. A lot of grand standing by democrats telling you conservatives economic policies are why the economies is so bad and its Bush’s fault even know the democrats have controlled congress for almost the last 6 years.

 

It’s at this point I want to inform and or remind everyone who reads this. The democrats have now controlled congress for 5 years and 10 months the reason the economy went off the Clift and the banks collapsed in 2008 was under the control of the Democratic Party for 21 months it was not the Republicans it was the democrat controlled congress that did it by their actions or lack of actions. To believe otherwise means you have been misinformed and you believe the lies of the liberal progressive news media.

 

The democrats didn’t inherit this economic mess they caused it. http://wp.me/pO1Ho-9w 

 

So if you still think this was all done by Bush your eating the little balls of crap the liberal media has been feeding you for your entire life and the last 6 years. All you need to do is a search for congress January 2007 to 2012 and you will see the democrats have controlled everything for the whole time period and then blames republicans and Bush for what they did. To say well that’s just politics does not make it right and it doesn’t fix the mess we are in. If they are getting away with these lies it’s because some Americans like those voting in democrat party for the democratic party are allowing them to get away with it. I don’t get my news from fox I seek the truth always this is the real no spin zone. I go to the federal record and look at the numbers and if you really want the truth it’s in the numbers not the news media they all sound like parrots to me spinning their stories as they see the truth with 10 different versions or opinions about the same story and none of them are right.

 

Facts compared to opinion and views. The glass is half full or is it half empty? No matter what you opinion or view is; the same amount of water resides in the glass. its math and math is not an opinion or a view. This goes to the next part the historical events of the past that can give us a clear picture of the possibilities and the near term effects of economic events like taxmageddon.

 

I have seen many economist discuss this $450 billion tax increase like it’s a good thing and the value of the dollar will increase because the deficit would shrink and that’s would be a good thing under normal text-book economic conditions it would be, except for the facts they seem to forget that we would definitely go into a very deep recession or depression from a $450 billion tax increase and while we have a deficit of $16.4 trillion hanging over our heads that’s not good for bonds or the value of the dollar if we are borrowing $600 billion while the economy is shrinking at a rate of 3% and could quickly go 6% negative GDP  it is likely under these conditions no one will loan us any money and people who hold our bonds would sell them very fast causing a panic sell off or a crash in the bond markets.

 

This has happened before in 1980. I can tell you right now when the economy starts to decline and go into a recession under the new much higher tax rates that what the economist are telling you say it’s a good thing is idiotic and that’s being kind. As the whole dynamics of the entire economy changes very quickly in economic declines the stock markets and bond markets will change and go into a severe decline and bond markets will be up for a few days maybe and then be sold off to cover losses in other stock markets and commodities markets this is always a worldwide event and everything will all change dramatically as well. None of it will be good. It will all be bad news (do you have a 401-K) and even before the first dollar in higher taxes is stolen away from the rich, the middle class and working poor this will unfold and become history. When this happens and it will, the economists college degrees can all be thrown out the window or used as toilet paper because nothing works in severe declines. I have been in 3 severe economic declines or crashes as a business owner and an investor.

 

Currently what gives the dollars or the bonds the value they do have is the confidence that the government can pay the interest on the debt and that confidence level all changes if we go into a recession. Confidence is nothing more than a thought and as quick as we can change our minds or in one day that confidence could disipere and this could cause a second bond market collapse worse than the one in 1980 because the debt is 32 times larger than in 1980

 

The Bond Market Collapse of February 1980 The time is November, 1979; the place, the White House. Like in November 2012, a dark financial cloud hovers over Washington — not only fiscal troubles, but also the threat of hyperinflation.

 

President Jimmy Carter and Congress have been gridlocked for months, unable to deal with the brewing storm. Unlike November 2012, the next presidential election is a year away. But investors don’t wait for the ballots. Nor do they have to. They begin issuing their sell orders immediately, venting their wrath primarily in the U.S. bond market by dumping medium and long-term U.S. Treasury securities. Treasury bond prices collapse, while interest rates surge. (We are set up for this perfect storm once again triggered by taxmageddon)

 

The tipping point comes on February 5, 1980. That’s when Treasury bond prices fall so far that their yields surge above the 11% level the all-time peak reached during the Civil War. “Faced with a prolonged buyer’s strike,” says one bond market pro, “we decided to throw in the towel and get yields up to a level where some cash buyers might be shocked off the sidelines.” But the next day, panicky bondholders begin unloading bonds at any price … and there are still few takers even at record interest rates everyone is still selling. The selling is so intense that all except two of the largest, best-capitalized bond dealers on Wall Street Merrill Lynch and Solomon Brothers effectively abandon their market-making role.

 

Now, it’s no longer merely a case of a price collapse. It’s a market collapse in the literal sense of the word: The dealers themselves are packing up and going home! By February 19, the collapse gathers even more momentum, as Treasury bonds lose over 5% of their face value in a single trading day!

 

Investors aren’t just shouting their protests from the rooftops. They are shutting down the market for U.S. Treasury securities, making it impossible for the U.S. government to borrow the money it needs to stay alive — and to avoid defaults on maturing debts. 

 

Result: With Paul Volcker (idiot) at his side, President Carter (another idiot) acts, announcing an anti-inflation bombshell: An unprecedented package of CREDIT CONTROLS that clamps down on virtually all forms of credit. (Dodd-Frank bank regulations will have same effects) The U.S. economy is pushed over a cliff and into a tailspin. Carter’s chances for re-election are doomed. But the bond market recovers and the U.S. Treasury is able to resume borrowing. 

 

But this all happened when the total of all federal deficits was about $ 500 Billion and now its $16.4 trillion anything even ½ of that historical recount would destroy the country and the dollar. Inflation ran between 12% and 15% in that period from 1977 to 1982 and bonds sold are governments borrowing money to finance the spending of money they don’t have. Just imagine if this only in part happens in such a weak economy and with borrowed money amounts $16.4 trillion and a need for a least and additional $50 billion a month after taxmageddon. While at the same time the economy is in a steep decline with a president that’s adverse to business. (The perfect economic storm that will end America) This also really screws up all the CBO estimates of the impact of the recession caused by taxmageddon and things will get a lot worse than there projected declines. The economy is always a moving target.

 

It was massive deficits of that time period that caused this to happen and those deficits were only $50 billion to $75 billion a year and now there over $1 trillion a year. This extremely high 16% interest rate at the peak is what the market set is the sacrifice that investors demanded in order to kill the threat of hyperinflation or the extreme devaluation of a currency. It really never worked but they won’t tell you this because it makes both Carter and Volker look like the idiots they are. Inflation remained high and the higher interest rate had only one purpose atract money to finance deficit spending. The higher interest rates fueled inflation in higher cost to barrow money that doest reduce cost it increases cost thus inflation increases. Liberal progressives always get it backwards. This is what Washington ultimately delivered. That at least in part will happen with taxmageddon coming in just 7 weeks. (Merry Christmas)

 

The general notion here is that, given the root causes of our economic distemper, rampant financialization, over-leverage and over-indebtedness, a politically dominant parasitic banking sector, an aging population, over promised entitlements, a financial business model based on fraud, Federal Reserve monetizing of debt, and a dysfunctional political system, to mention only the top of the list how can the USD appreciate in real terms? It cannot! It only has one way to go and that’s down. There only needs to be a trigger to set this whole decline into motion and I believe its taxmageddon.

 

This is how investors play the markets and why the dramatic decline or a crash will become obvious in the next 45 days or less. Businesses and market players make their decisions based on future projections of business activity and profits or the lack of profits. All market investment is determined by future projections or guesses of economic activity 6 months before they accrue not afterwards. You can expect a crash or at least a major correction of a few thousand points in the next few weeks and up to the week before January 1, 2013. Just like the decline after the banks collapsed in September 2008 this decline will continue well into 2013 just like the one in 2008.

 

Either way whatever happens in Congress the democrats will not make a deal because they want the economic collapse. They want the crash and they need it because democrats want the country to end as we know it so they can abolish the constitution. Making a deal with the democrats and Obama will not happen and their actions and the long history of changing constitutional law through the Supreme Court in the last 100 years and especially the last 4 years of ignoring constitutional law and playing dictator or King at every turn should prove that to people who have been paying attention Democrats hate the constitution.

 

Liberal progressive democrats have worked hard to circumvent the constitution and make unconstitutional law legal through the courts. It’s a term called judicial activism. This entire deal making process will be like trying to negotiate with a terrorist that wants to kill you, it’s a useless endeavor. Democrats’ have a long history of behavior that never changes in the liberal progressive Democratic Party. So why would any sane reasonable person expect that to suddenly change now? Liberal, progressive, Democrats want an economic collapse.

 

The conservative media will keep doing what they always do giving the benefit of the doubt to the liberal democrats and they will hope and or wish that Obama and the democrats will find a middle ground or a compromise with republicans, but the last 4 years of their actions shows that doesn’t fit Obama’s or the democrats play book. It’s always their way or the highway anything else is just imaginings and hopeful thinking so far hope has gotten us into this horrible position. The only compromises made have gotten us to the current fiscal Clift otherwise known as taxmageddon everything else has been my way or the highway with the democrat’s control of the senate and Obama. I think the democrats set America up perfectly for total economic destruction with an expiration date January 1, 2013

 

You can’t make a deal with the devil and expect anything good to come from it. I don’t think John Bonner will make a deal with the devil and if he does there’s a price to pay either way all Americans will lose no matter what our politics are.

 

What you are about to witness few weeks and months no one alive has ever seen before. This will be way worse than the great depression or the civil war. Hell on earth is what is coming and it’s not years away it’s only a matter of weeks and months and I repeat it’s not years away. To think this destructive pattern of the democrats’ and Obama can continue and Americas economy can survive 4 more years is just wishful thinking.

 

You can Hope I am wrong as I really hope I am wrong, but I said in back in 2004 and in my book 2012 that came out in November 2009 this president Obama would be the last president of the United States and so far I was right. From 40 years of observing politics and studying political history. I understand how a liberal thinks and they don’t use logic. This lack of logic is why all their ideas and policies always fail it is a form of insanity and that’s why what I say here may not make any sense to a sane person but their is no logic to there thinking it is insanity.

 

We don’t have 4 more years under any president or any dictator. The book 2012 explains it all. I said in 2009 it would either happen in 2012 or by the middle of 2013 and now we are just weeks away. You will see this unfold in the next 6 to 7 weeks in the stock markets as I expect a 2500 point correction from the September highs and so far it 1000 points down with 1500 to go and it will get a lot worse in early 2013.

 

I really hope I am wrong and I know you do too.

 

By the way very soon after taxmageddon and I mean very soon after we fall apart, the real Armageddon between Israel and Iran will start. First it will be conventional weapons but it will escalate quickly after other Arab countries join Iran in an all out WAR and an attack on Israel. Israel is surrounded by nothing but enemies with combined armies in the millions and with no allies. Regardless of what Democrats say or Obama he will not back Israel, Obama is a Muslim he will side with the Muslims. If attacked by multiple countries at one time Israel will have only one choice and that’s nuclear weapons = Armageddon. Israel has claimed 80 nuclear weapons and that’s enough to destroy all the Arab or Muslim countries major cities. The deadline for this is March 2013 set by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Here it comes! 200 million dead in one day is very possible with 80 nuclear weapons and the real sh-t hits the fan.

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I believe from observation America moved into a legally elected dictatorship in January 2009 with the election of Barak Obama and a supper majority of liberal democrats in both the house and the senate. The evidence is now so obvious to those who seek the truth. With the passage of the heath care bill and 40 czars for which no one knows what their jobs are or what their true intent was proves that we have had a dictatorship since January 2009. There are hundreds of other bills passed against the will of the majority and by the president with no congressional approval at all, just by Barak Obama making it so in a dictatorship style of governance.

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New World Disorder will be the case. These idiots want to do exactly what you stated in this post above. But as with most ideas from the liberal progressive left they never do the math properly and here it is.

Their intention is to destroy the country and its currency with the intention of redistribution of wealth just like the article says but what doesn’t add up (liberal ideas never do add up) if you destroy the currency you destroy the wealth and most importantly you destroy the ability for the country to create any new wealth and since you stole all the wealth by destroying the money and this takes away the ability to create new wealth there is no possibility to redistribute any wealth as they destroyed all of it. This is the mentality of the left they are complete idiots.

There will be no wealth to redistribute of any kind. I have studied economics since I was 10 years old and I am now 55 and read many books on economics currency collapse and money destruction and I have watched how world markets and currencies trade and change for 45 years now. I understand how the world’s economic systems work better than all of the last 3 Federal Reserve chairman combined. I also believe the Federal Reserve is totally in on this Agenda 21 and are helping to guide us to it.

I like you, 10 years ago believed the new world order was a conspiracy theory. but since I have had an understanding of the liberal mind for about the last 30 years and wrote a book in 1989 called hang them for treason which said that liberal democrats economic policies would eventually destroy the country, well here we are. I started to write another book in the 2006 election but I never finished it. This book was about liberals getting control of congress and the presidency would lead us exactly to where we are today with trillion-dollar deficits and an intentionally collapsed system for all of the above reasons.

It was in the 2008 election that I saw the very big possibility that the new world order was the liberals plan and the possibility of it being true was becoming more apparent as time passed thus proved by their actions.

Anyone paying attention and seeking the truthful information that is available all over the internet can prove this all to be fact because most of it is history now and not something that is coming but it is something that has already happened and we are living within the change to the new world order right now.

The economics of a new world order will cause a complete world economic collapse. If you destroy the dollar you will also destroy the Americans workers ability to pay their mortgages and their credit card bills because almost all of a person’s income will go to the cost of food and gasoline. This eventually forces another bank collapse 10 times worse than the one in September 2008.

Think your boss is going to give you a 50% increase in pay in a 6 month period?

The whole world is so tied together economically that if the United States collapses so does all of Europe and between the losses of these 2 economies’ china and Japan goes down with either one going belly up. There is always a domino effect in any major economic decline because all economies of the world are so tied together. This small list of countries is 75% of the world GDP.

Also if Europe was to go belly up first this would also cause the United States to collapse so it doesn’t matter who goes first all countries will follow. Just look at what happened in the 6 months after the collapse of the banking system in 2008 and the worlds governments were not in the bad shape they are now and still bailing out countries 3 years latter because they have too much socialism.

I find it very odd that these liberal, progressive, socialist, communists are using socialism to collapse the capitalist system and are planning to replace the capitalist system with the failed socialist system that destroyed the productive capitalist system. Somehow liberals think because they will control the new system it will work better. 150 years of trying different forms of Marxism has proven it has never worked and the math and history proves it will never work.

This is just a repeat of the liberal progressive failed logic of trying the same failed system over and over expecting a different result. (It is Demonic driven Insanity.)

 

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